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I think Kpop nowadays puts way to much emphasis in appearance rather that in talent , and that is a major turn of for a westerner! I mean yeah some enjoy seeing music videos and seeing chicks semi naked and all the fanfare, but that is only after really hearing the song. I mean how many of us have really seen a music video of an artist/group without hearing the song countless times on radio or tv? I’m willing to bet that almost no one! What happens in Kpop? Some kpop fans will like the song only after seeing their oppas/unies in the video! Not everyone alright, but heck the kpop fandom are mostly teenagers which will eat anything their oppas release and that in America just doesn’t work!
They try too much to appeal to the public by going to TV(I’m looking at you SM) or appealing to the younger public (WG), but none of them really tried to make it through radios without leaning on their sex appeal! Lots of people will like a song only after listening to it more than 50 times a day!
Of course you could also make it through a break out song, but only one it’s not enough if later on you dont’s back it up with decent tracks , i mean how many artists have make it with only one good song? Far east movement? After like a G6, they mostly dissapeared, Inna? (I guess nobody knows who she is now), even the guy with that portuguese song will disapear after his so called “hit” song!
What I’m trying to say is that they need to stop being an Idol(which is rater impossible) and try beeing an artist in the real sense of the word not the “hey I wrote a crappy rap so I’m an artist”. America is full of everything already, why would they look at some group highly mechanical without any personality unless I see it in a variety show?
For now I highly doubt any of them will make it…and NO, a colaboration Doesn’t mean Success even if it’s Snoop Dog (I used to love you man) or the selfproclamed rapper KAnye West!
Thank you, this is what I have been saying for ages. Idolizing is stupid and pointless, it certainly provides no benefits to anyone in fact it probably creates problems. Enough with this backward system! -_-
Ayyy Girl was a bad song and Kanye made it terrible.
There isn’t representation of Asians in the American pop industry in general. Asian Americans are struggling to infiltrate the market so I find it hard to believe that any KPOP act can break through and leave its mark. The only Asian act that I can think of that has had any success is Far East Movement.
I would have liked to see Wonder Girls tied into this, seeing as they toured with the Jonas Bros and actually did chart on the billboards…
BoA also charted on the billboards. Billboards don’t mean anything unless you chart on their main top 20 list.
There biggest problem, and I will keep saying this, is that they don’t focus on getting their music out there. RADIO! RADIO! RADIO!
No one cares that you’ve worked with [insert name here].
No one cares that your famous in Asia.
No one cares that you’ve been interviewed by TVs hottest talk hosts.
shoot, people don’t even care what your individual names are. Here in the States its the music that counts. Granted, the music can be shitty or make no sense and we will still eat it up but we have to HEAR IT first.
These agencies try to operate like they do in Asia. ‘Look, were all really friendly and have good personalities’ -we. don’t. care. I mean sure, once you’ve established yourself we will start taking interest in who you are but first deliver the music.
I’ve heard and seen numerous times where they announce an interview with this person and a connection here (and that may be fine and dandy when inside the business -like setting a name for yourself amongst the higher ups) but to reach the masses they need to get their music to as many radio stations as possible.
I lack the funds to purchase myself a car but when in the car with a friend and I hear a song on the radio that I like or at least hear it enough times it definetly sparks my interest and I at least take the time to look it up and 9/10 I will purchase it.
I’m sure one of these agencies will figure it out sooner or later. I’m curious though – do these music companies have to pay the radio stations to sometimes play their stuff, I know some DJ’s make recommendations and plug a song when they personally like it!
It’s called Payolla. These days you need a abig corporate record label to back you up if you want them to shell any form of money to get your song played on the radio.
U beat me to it… Yes Payolla!
it is actually illegal to pay or give gifts a DJ to play your records n the US (
2005/07/26/business/26music.html?pagewanted=print ) and i believe last year there was a scandal in S.K. about artists paying DJ’s to play their songs. I THINK (don’t quote me cause i cant find the article) someone’s manager was arrested.
You are right about that, but its still a system set up. There’s always a way around it.
My hunch is that, in the UK, K-pop will need to appeal to the pink pound for its initial success. I think that the high concept but mostly nonsensical music videos are quite camp, and the club-friendly or disco/retro themed songs would do quite well in the gay market.
Also, Europe may be more receptive to Korea, simply because people there are more used to seeing forgeigners in their charts. While I lived in Italy (for a few years), I heard chart hits from acts from UK, US, France, Germany, Spain, Brazil and Romania. Add Korea to the list? Why not.
The euro gay market…very interesting thought. I really don’t get the musical preferences of gays…why do they like the eurovision song festival so much? But maybe you are right.
If Britney Spears, Jonas Bro, Justin Bieber etc were smashing commercial success, then I don’t see how some of these manufactured kpop groups cannot succeed in US and sell millions of albums. Its fallacy to say or think that you have be some great artists to make big in US…its all about good looks, sense of individual styles and some foot works, songs/music and marketing marketing these days….
Because they’re Asian. When was the last time you saw an Asian-American not portrayed as a nerd or martial artist in the mainstream media?
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^ this.
I’m a huge YGstan, but I think JYJ just has enough looks, talent and star power to make a considerable dent in the West. If only… they hadn’t ruined the “Ayy Girl” video. Even Kanye, as out of place as he was, couldn’t ruin that song. It’s the apron. The curly hair. The bad effects. Shiiiiiii. I wish for them just ONE catchy song and better pronunciation.
2NE1 are awesome performers, but they’re just not artists yet and there will always be a condescending view of them and how they are just manufactured. On the other hand, Big Bang got it all, but they just look too different – like Lady Gaga’s Male alter ego from the east. And we all know they’re probably not gonna tone it down for a while.