John Rzeznik of the Goo Goo Dolls. (Johnny Louis/Of course, not every stage of their most extensive Canadian tour --
which takes the band through the frigid darkness of a prairie winter --
is that appealing. "A couple of our tech guys live in Winnipeg, and I
just asked one how cold it was there and he said -20. I couldn't tell
if he was just trying to scare me or not" says Rzeznik, adding "Oh,
God!" after being assured that's par for the course in Winterpeg.
But it's all in a day's work for Rzeznik, who started Goo Goo Dolls 25
years ago in Buffalo, N.Y., with bassist Robby Takac (current drummer
Mike Malinin joined in 1995). Along the way, they've had their ups
(the No. 1 singles Iris, Name and Slide) and downs (Rzeznik has taken
plenty of flak for sounding a little too much like The Replacements'
Paul Westerberg). But through it all, they've slogged on, spurred by
their blue-collar, midwestern work ethic. It came in handy again on
their ninth studio album Something for the Rest of Us. Originally
slated for release in 2009, it was pushed back several months after
Rzeznik and co. decided to scrap much of the disc and start from
scratch. (As opposed to starting with Screech.)
As Rzeznik steeled himself for some northern exposure, he took some
time to chat about doing musical bodywork, the freedom of losing your
juice and how Mick Jagger probably deals with a clogged toilet.
I mean this as a compliment, but I was surprised to see you're only
45. It seems like you've been around forever. Does if feel that way to
you?
Honestly, yeah (laughs). I realized the other day that I've been doing
this longer than I haven't been. Which is an odd place to be. Wow, I
must be old.
A lot of people talk about songwriting as this mystical thing. You
talk a lot about how much work it is.
Well, it is for me. Some guys, it just pours out of them. Me, no. I
mean, there's moments of great inspiration -- you get these flashes.
But then you have to sit there with the hammer and pound it into
shape. It's like doing bodywork on a car. And that's a good thing.
That's what helped me get over my allegedly famous bout of writer's
block a few years ago. I finally came to the conclusion there's no
such thing as writer's block. It's just that you're writing a lot of
songs you don't like, so you feel like you can't do it anymore. But
you have to sift through the trash before you find what you're looking
for. And you're putting up your own barriers and inhibitions by
worrying about the outcome -- 'Is this going to be a hit? Is this
cool?' You have to get rid of all that.
It seems you used the same deliberate approach in the studio on the
last album.
Yeah, that was very much the case. We had to walk away from it. We
had been so immersed for so long with the writing process and the
recording process that we took a couple of weeks off. Then we listened
to it and thought, 'No, this just isn't right. We can do better.' So
we went back and stripped down the tracks -- we rerecorded some stuff
and re-sang some stuff and rewrote some stuff and wrote a little more
material.
But when you start second-guessing yourself like that, how do you know
when to stop?
I've got people around me that can pull me away and tell me when it's
done, and when it's good.
Don't they just tell you everything you do is good?
No -- they love to tell me when I suck!
Do you feel you get the respect you deserve as a songwriter?
Absolutely. People still come to see us play after 25 years. And when
somebody comes up to me and says, 'I picked up the guitar because I
really liked this song you wrote' or 'You really helped me through a
bad time in my life,' that's people paying their respects.
And that means more than awards or hits or critical acclaim?
You can't count on that stuff. Music critics are looking for the next
big thing, and that is not us anymore. And really, it's actually a
relief to be in a place where those things have sort of lost their
juice and I can concentrate on writing what I want to write and
entertaining people and just enjoying it. The sky is not going to fall
and the Earth is not going to cave in if we don't have a hit. We're
here and we're fine.
After all the work you put in writing and recording, is touring the
easy part? Or do you approach it with the same determination?
Yeah, we do. We always go back and listen to show tapes and tinker
around with stuff, trying to make it better. After all, people are
paying money to come see you play, and there's a lot of enormous
talent out there. So we always play the hits. And then we introduce
people to the new songs one at a time. We put a new song in and then
go right into a hit, so just in case the reaction to the new song
wasn't very good, you don't see it. Yeah, I'm hedging my bets.
I get the sense that you still see yourself as just a guy from Buffalo.
Oh yeah. The majority of my friends are still in Buffalo. My four
sisters still live there. They help keep me grounded -- there's no
illusions in Buffalo. Robby and I have our studio there, and I always
go home to write because I need to be around those people. In fact, my
girlfriend and I are moving back to New York, to Long Island where her
family lives. I'm sick of Los Angeles.
I read that you were going to be a plumber. Have you still got the
skills?
Yeah, I went to school for plumbing. I still apply the skills
occasionally if I need to. I'm not going to go rough in the plumbing
at my friend's house. But if I have to replace a toilet or fix a sink,
I can do that. I like the fact that I'm able to take care of my home
myself.
I doubt Mick Jagger replaces his own toilets.
Nah -- he just buys a new villa with a new toilet in it.
Goo Goo Dolls Canadian tour dates
Feb. 7 & 8 | St. John's | Delta Conference Centre
Feb. 9 | Grand Falls | Joe Byrne Memorial Stadium
Feb. 11 | Halifax | Rebecca Cohn
Feb. 12 | Charlottetown | Civic Centre
Feb. 14 | Saint John | Trade & Convention Centre
Feb. 16 | Montreal | Olympia
Feb. 18 | Ottawa | NAC
Feb. 20 | Windsor | Ceasers
Feb. 22 | Thunder Bay | Community Auditorium
Feb. 23 | Winnipeg | Pantages Playhouse
Feb. 25 | Regina | Casino Regina
Feb. 26 | Enoch | River Cree Casino
Feb. 28 | Calgary | Jack Singer Theatre
March 2 | Vancouver | Commodore Ballroom